Every Officer of the Nursing Services shall always bear in mind that the authority of Commissioned Rank brings in added responsibility on your shoulders. An officer shall be a lady in personal affairs, moral standards, conduct, manners and appearance. An officer must also demonstrate an unflinching commitment and enthusiasm for the honour and glory of the armed forces medical services and the Army.
You as a Commissioned Officer derive authority directly from the President of India and, as such, hold a commission charging you with the duties and responsibilities of Nursing Care in armed forces medical facilities. You are mandated to live by a set of expectations. First and foremost, you must set the example of the highest ethical and professional standards. Your endeavor shall be to provide the best of the care and facilities to every Patient under your charge irrespective their military rank. You must mentor and develop your subordinates skills and knowledge and foster a healthy relationship between the ranks.
You shall never allow the rank and seniority to come between your professional duties and responsibilities. You shall maintain a healthy professional relationship with other healthcare professionals (doctors/dentists). Always willing to travel that extra mile to make the junior doctors comfortable in your presence, and respect them for their professional ability and knowledge. You must understand that both (doctor and nurse) have a mutually full filling role, neither works under, but works besides each other. Both cannot perform each other’s job, even if one wants to (nurse - licensed under INC Act, 1947 and doctor - under IMC Act, 1956). There is no command and control aspect in such professional relationships. No matter what the seniority of the nurse, decisions regarding patient care are finally taken by the doctor (in consultation with the nurse, who often provides valuable inputs - after all she spends more time with the patient and the patient's family). The doctor is ultimately answerable regarding medical decisions.
The officers shall ensure that their relationship with the men in ranks be scrupulously devoid of familiarity, and is based on a firm and friendly foundation that is mature enough to ward off intimacy and informality. Respect the JCOs and NCOs for their age, experience and service. Recognise and appreciate a good jawan and remember that his welfare is your concern. Social calls between officers and PBORs are strictly not made. The avoidance of social liaison between officers and men is a custom observed in the best interest of good discipline, command and authority. Those officers who have relatives in the ranks must encourage them to avoid familiarity and refrain from going out with them socially in service environments. The officers' relatives must be tactfully explained the customs of service without unduly hurting their feelings. Every young women officer shall be careful while selecting her life partner. Always remember that the officers’ community makes class distinctions. Marrying within the armed forces is encouraged, but it is very unforgiving to those who find match below the commissioned officer ranks. The one who have fallen in ‘love trap’ is sure to face lifelong social ostracism in the officers’ society.
Every women officer must be vigilant about sexual harassments in armed forces. The sexual harassment has been recognised as the most intimidating and most violating form of violence against women. Any action or gesture, which directly or by implication aims at or has the tendency to outrage the modesty of women, falls under its general definition. The Supreme Court of India defined sexual harassment at workplace, according to the Court, sexual harassment is any unwelcome sexually determined behaviour, such as:- Physical contact, A demand or request for sexual favours, Sexually coloured remarks, Showing pornography, Any other physical or verbal or non-verbal conduct of a sexual nature. It is the moral responsibility of every women officer to stand up against sexual harassments against herself or any other female employee. When faced with sexual harassment, report immediately in writing to the Commanding Officer. Always provide witness in any such case happened in your presence or knowledge. The armed forces takes very serious view of sexual harassments, and as an officer, it is your duty to bring the sexual offenders to book.
The Officers attention is drawn to Army Act, 1950, Section 27. “Remedy of aggrieved officers.–Any officer who deems himself wronged by his commanding officer or any superior officer and who on due application made to his commanding officer does not receive the redress to which he considers himself entitled, may complain to the Central Government in such manner as may from time to time be specified by the proper authority” . This is a statutory right and nobody can stop you from exercising it.
A must read for every Officer of MNS
ReplyDeletevery very good,must be read before commissioning and repeated often
Deletemust Read ,Share a copy at each nursing officers student period ,every year !
DeleteI certainly agree, we shall not allow the 'Army Commissioned Officer' feeling going in to the officers head. Remember, every jawan or JCO or officer who is coming to the hospital is having some personal problems or grief. Either with him or his family, first address those problems, console him, wipe his tears if need be, give him the best care the AFMS can offer.
ReplyDeleteThe genuine respect when it comes, it will flow from the bottom of his heart. Never be demanding for respect, when a person is suffering or grieving for his family.
Use your rank and authority to direct the Nursing Orderlies/ Assistants and other Hospital Staff to provide better care for the Patients. You all draw authority from the President of India, use it justly, fairly and also with compassion.
Remember the example of the 'Lady with Lamp'. Let this be the begining of a change in AFMS. No more fighting amongst Doctors and Nurses, because when you fight, we suffer, the system fails. Let all that be the past. and work for the glory of Medical Services and Indian Army / Armed Forces.
Very thoughtful and relevant essay, every officer must read it.
ReplyDeleteAs i myself is officer of Military Nursing Service.It is a very good article .We all are dedicated to the patient care.Most of the time we are life saver in absence of the doctor. The knowledge& the spontaneity of the medical team in Armed Forces is commendable.I feel proud to be the part of Army& our dues payed to us . Thanks to my seniors associated with this endeavor.
ReplyDelete"Marrying within the armed forces is encouraged, but it is very unforgiving to those who find match below the commissioned officer ranks" When the 'No Marriage Rule' for regular Officers of MNS were withdrawn in early 70's, many elderly Officers found that, no man is willing to marry her (large age differences). Therefore, as a last resort many Officers found Match among the young PBORs. Such Condition No Longer Exist, but still there rare instances of Officers Marrying ORs. This is mostly due to 'falling-in-love or pressures from ignorant family members. This is nthing but a social evil, and is better to live as a spinter than marrying an OR. I don't understand why would an an young Officer with a starting pay even more than an IAS Officer, marry an OR? Such nut cases are to be isolated and shunted out of the army for bringing discredit to the MNS.
ReplyDeletethis is truly amazing one much awaited one.a strong plat form to comment on or to clear our vision if gets stucked .thankyou so much for the creator
ReplyDeleteI had been hospitalised for around 11 months and mns officers care was amazing, responsible and supurb at INSH Ashwani
ReplyDeleteIt is really heartening to learn that there are people who care for this noble service of the army.There is a great need to bring forth the noble work done by the MNS OFFICERS and the problems faced by them in their day to day functioning.It is imperative to know especially by the young MNS OFFICERS that they are commisioned officers of the Indian Army just like other officers in the same army.It is them who have to command their respect and take a stand for their rights and previleges which no body can deny them.First of all they have to feel proud of themselves.They should check any body who does not give them due respect,be it an officer,JCO or a Jawan.If a JCO/jawan is not respecting or saluting a Nursing Officer, he is liable to be punished. A complaint should be immediately sent to his Commanding Officer in writing so that such act is not repeated in future. Even other officers from all other arms and services should use their common sense and understand that the ranks which they are putting on cannot be given to any body who is of a status lower to them. So they have to realise that MNS officers are at par with them and not inferior to them. The Army Orders says this not me. I am very glad to know that the fight is on for the status of MNS OFFICERS in the army which is always degraded by the officers of other arms and services. When will the Lt Cols of MNS be brought in Pay Band-4 ? And what about the Bagga commission ? The only thing that MNS OFFICERS have to do is to put across their demands and be together...ALL THE BEST...
ReplyDeleteAs per AFT orders "Nursing Officers are at par with the other officers of Indian Armed Forces and they are entitled get all the entitlement of other officers" it is not necessary to file a separate case for PB4. It is understood that PB4 is applicable to Lt Col (MNS) also. The thing is ADG should project the case to the govt. Otherwise also becoming a Lt Col in MNS Corps is curse, because they get the rank after a long service, without any benefit of the rank. Nursing officers upto the rank of Maj and Col and above are getting the benefit of their rank, except Lt Cols. Cols and above are not bothered of Lt Cols, because they are getting all the benefits other than grade pay. MNS officers sitting at higher level should think of it and not the govt. Earlier also they collected money and fought the case for the uniform, what was the outcome, because of non-cooperation they lost the case.
ReplyDeleteLt Col Theresa, you must be a daughter of an IAS Officer. Everybody knows your status in the Army. Even a sepoy does not respect you. Afterall the JCOs of Indian Army get salute and all. Do you get any respect. These all happened because of your cheap mentality. Getting handfull of money doesnot earn respect, remember it. PBORs of Indian Armed Forces are much more qualified than you people. That is why you are still remaining in PB3. You are getting pay of an IAS officer, what power you got in the Army. Can you sign a lab form? First you get rid off this cheep mentality from your mind. If an officer marry an illiterate lady, can he be thrown out of service. Hope you must have married an IAS officer.
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ReplyDeleteYour language stinks; you must be an AMC doc. No other officer can lower himself to such levels. Only a member of AMC can use such sewage soaked language. If you are so highly qualified, then why are you here? Join some corporate hospitals and earn in lakhs per month, if not crores. The best ones get out before the rot sets in! The obvious answer is you are one of those scum’s; and ones like you try to hide your impotence by pulling down the Nursing Officers. Why don’t you go home and beat your wife instead? If you are so concerned about injustice, get every male AMC doc to marry the Safaiwali’s, and the female docs to the ambulance drivers and nursing assistants! Stop poking your nose in to our personal affairs; it is none of your business.
Lt Col Theresa is well within her rights to be concerned about the class of the officer community. It is very much essential that, in future no officer of the MNS shall marry any PBOR. Otherwise how can there be a semblance discipline, and maintenance of class distinction between the officers and Jawans be possible. It is under the patronage of people like you, the PBORs are not respecting the MNS Officers. You and your kind are actively encouraging the ORs to ignore our commissioned officer status, the rank which is given by the President of India, just like yours. We individually loose nothing; everyone knows how much an armed forces officer is respected in the outside world! Nowadays, only the most mean, and ideal minds are so much concerned about the respect. Anyhow, you are contributing to the rot within, one day it is going to come down on you.
Do not be under the impression that the PBORs of Armed Forces are respecting the ones like you, because of your personal charms! They are doing it because they are bound by the Army Act. They are afraid of the punishment, if they don’t salute you. Have you any time punished any OR for not paying respect to the MNS Officers? You never did! That is your answer. You ignorant soul, you are actively encouraging indiscipline in the army by not taking action against the ORs who do not salue a Nursing Officer, and inturn committing an offence under the Army Act your self. Understand, every officer draws his/her powers from the Army Act, not from the force of their personality. Hey doc, atleast be nice to the Jawans. The cases of franking are on the raise, otherwise you may also get one on your back! We (MNS Officers) are going to stay in the Army as Commissioned Officers. Whether you like it or not, better get used to it. And don’t worry about PB-4 and same grade pay; it is now only a matter of time!
Dear Sandhya, it is everybody's fundamental right whom should he/she get married. You cannot rule out whom should one get married. As per your views, marry an unemployee civilian rather than marry a PBOR.Very good. Keep it up
ReplyDeleteI am not a service personal now,But carefully watched,Ranks have nothing to do with a choice of spouse or who is a good spouse ,or is he /she the one destined if those who marry OR s keep the social life separate,Once married ,it is unpardonable to bring stress into the life, a lot of stress is unnecessary..As a collegue I have respected the spouses of my friends,No need of Hate !
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ReplyDeleteOffcourse it is within your fundamental rights to marry anyone including an OR. The PBORs are not bothered about your rank, they want only your money, and other things comes with your Officer rank. He will be happy to sell ur increased no. of liquor quota also. If you are claiming to be an Officer, you need to maintain certain standards, that also includes ur choice of life partner. Please stop going around and corrupting the impressionable minds of young officers. How many times you have tried to hide that your husband is an OR? Ur children are growing up seeing that. I think you are already used to such pathetic life, continue with that. Good luck to U and ur OR husband!
I agree the Officers are required to maintain high standards in professional as well as personal life. It is the customs of the service to keep the Officers and PBORs socially separate. All with the good intensions, otherwise the respect for the commissioned rank will diminish. Some of us are married to PBORs, it is a fact. How can you expect the PBORs to respect you when his own wife is your Colleague?
ReplyDeleteBetter to marry an unemployed but educated Civilian than a PBOR.
ReplyDeleteHi Officers,
ReplyDeleteIt is not only that our Lt Cols be brought on PB-4, but also we shall be given the same grade pay as other officers - as recommended by pay commsn. The amount may not be large, but it is certainly symbolic to our status as commissioned officers ranking equally.
Hello Everybody, Every girl has dreams about her future husband. All women like to take her husbands name with pride. If she got married to some-one below her status, she might been under some compulsions. Forget the past and concentrate on the future. Our future is our young girls. Show them the correct way, let every one of them marry only Officers. There are about 1400 young officers passing out in a year from various academies. If we stop fighting, improve our image, and show some class and style, it is possible!
ReplyDeletehello every one this is high time MNS officers should stop marrying PBORS.It is not necessary to get married only with officer's they can marry civilians of same status and who are well educated.we must feel pride while introducing our husbands.we must first respect ourselves,our profession,our core before asking respect from others.we should upgrade our knowledge our skill.we should improve our style our class and our status.we are second to none and this has to be reflected in our day to day activity and actions.we should be confident and we should not allow any one to let us feel down.Any gentleman and grceful person will give us respect and let us not be bothered about what others feel,we should feel good.All the best to everyone.
ReplyDeleteTHERE IS A SAYING 100 MEN CAN STAY TOGETHER BUT 2 WOMEN CAN NOT STAY TOGETHER AS IT WILL CAUSE FIGHTING. HENCE YOU ALL MNS OFFICERS ARE FIGHTING EACH OTHER . ON YOUR FIGHTING AMC DOCTORS WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE. FORGET ALL OTHER ISSUE CONCENTRATE ON CORE ISSUES AS PER VERDICT OF AFT. OTHERWISE YOU ALL WILL BE LOOSER. FORGET THE BEHAVIOUR OF PM OR SOOME SENIORS SINCE IT IS LIKE SASH BAHU RELATION.
ReplyDeletemam you have done a wonderful job and given us a plateform thanks and all the best.
ReplyDeleteANY ONE HAVING NEWS THAT GOVT HAS APPEAL TO SUPREME COURT AGAINST AFT VERDICT ON MNS
ReplyDeletedear madam,
ReplyDeleteNot only mns offrs but for that matter no officer shuould marry PBORs.'cos marriage is not merely a relationship of a man and a woman.a lady would always like to introduce her husband in a gathering.n if he's not an officer or equivalent rank she'll start avoiding get togethers(thats what has happened with our core)and now everybody has degraded our core so much that it will take another 10 more yrs for us to stand in a social function with proud.a kind of inferiority complex is hampering our social,mental,physical,emotional......growth.
even that PBOR who gets married to an officer always remains in stress n finally commits suicide(i have seen one case )or he starts misbehaving with his spouse(i have seen many cases)
lady medical officers are taught how to treat PBORs in their MOBC,thats why they always keep only professional relationship with them.
i have seen our senior officers themselves dont know anything about our rights. they should understand that they are officers.sitting on the adm chair they think they are still nurses who have to obey doctors .
Why are we being addressed as MNS? People need to be told that 'MNS' is the name of the Corps just like AMC or ADC. Such name calling is really sounds stupid and discourteous. How does it sounds like: he is AMC, she is IAF, He is MES etc.
ReplyDeletePoonam Madam, I dont agree with you. You should be proud of being MNS.Ref my comments dated 13.4.10 regarding INHS Ashwani.MNS service is the best in world and myself have seen it in my difficult moments. Regards.
ReplyDeleteWhat she meant was, it is inappropriate to call a Nursing Officers as "MNS", because it is the name of the ORGANISATION. It will be the same way calling an Air Force Officer as "IAF" or AMC Offr as "AMC" ! Why not to call us "Nursing Officers" or "MNS Officers" or just "Army Nurse / Military Nurse" etc.
ReplyDeleteI THINK WE ARE FORGETTING THE REAL ISSUES. Anybody willing to petition AFT for same grade pay and other allowances including MSP 6000?
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ReplyDeleteI have been regualrly reading the opinoins of vaious readers on the the blog(for past two years) and i find that the language being used by few people is not very decent and upto the mark. it is my humble request that peole should kindly control their language & emotoins. Kindly focus your energy on the real issues relating to welfare of the cadre. It is also requested that immature comments may kindly be avoided from typing on blog. Beacuse most of the time we get good and positve comments which enlightens us in many ways. It also gives us positive energy. However, immature comments some times make us defensive.
I have started to notice frequency of such comments has increased after the hon'ble tribunal passed the judgment dt. 30.03.2010. It is my humble appeal that officers have to be more humble, polite but firm in acheiving their goal.
well said.
DeleteEvery officer has been told since beginning that, he/ she is an officer first; and his/ her job or branch comes secondary. But the young Nursing Officers are taught that, she is a ‘Nurse’ first, and the commissioned officer rank is given to her, so that the Jawans keep off their hands (maintain respectable distance). The grooming given to the young MNS officer cadets / officers is totally wrong. She is made to believe since beginning that she is inferior. This feeling of inferiority is being exploited by the rest of the armed forces personnel, officers and Jawans alike. This defeatist way of thinking needs change.
ReplyDeleteNow onwards teach the young officers that, first and foremost she is a Commissioned Officer; and as an Officer her primary duty will be to provide the nursing care. Let her be brimming with confidence that she is an officer, who is charged with the responsibility and authority to provide the best care to the patients. I am sure, she will always be willing to put in her best and also would co-ordinate and direct the other nursing staff towards that aim. This will bring in increased synergy in the entire system and the out come will be a qualitative change in the care provided. In reality the commissioned rank is given to the Army Nurses during Second World War to have control over the nursing staff (nursing orderlies, ambulance assistants, stretcher carries etc.) The nursing orderlies (Nursing Assistants/Medical Assistants) are meant to assist the Nursing Officer in discharging her duties. In an emergency situation like war, she is required lead the teams consisting of all these personnel to provide best of the medical care to our wounded soldiers. So let our young officers know their true worth and master the job. Let every officer proudly declare that she is a commssioned officer and nursing care is her primary duty. I found out your true worth only after joining a corporate hospital after leaving service. In Civil, the best nurses leave for abroad, and the doctors does all the work which usually are delegated to our Nursing Officers (there is no match for your professionalism and knowledge any where in civil). All the best for your future.
Somebody rightly asked, who will bell the cat? It is the responsibility of the seniors who are holding the portfolios to fight for their subordinates. Because of selfishness only these all have happened. As on date, the major strength of MNS Corps is Lt Col (TS). They have been deprived of their basic entitlements ie PB4. Those who got selection grade they are so happy, because they will get PB4. What about those Lt Col (TS) who rendered more than 30 years service and that too more than 10 years in the same rank. If you take it logically, what is the use of giving the Lt Col (TS) rank. For name sake or decoration on the shoulder. An officer of other corps who simply having 13 years service is being put in PB4 then why not a Nursing Offier who is having 20 years of long serving can be put on PB4. It is the duty of ADG and other senior nursing officers to convince it to the MOD. Policies regarding other officers are issued frequently, but for MNS officers there is no change since begining. For that one has to do home work and study the policies well and convince it to the MOD. Who has the time to do all these things. You cannot expect more than this from a lady ADG. Be happy with whatever you are getting.
ReplyDeleteThe MAGIC OF MILITARY NURSING SERVICES. How many of you are aware that, the Nursing Services of the armed forces faces a shortage of atleast 9000 Nurses? The armed forces medical services –AFMS have the lowest Nurse: Doctor Ratio anywhere in the world! The AFMS has just 3000 nurses for 6000 doctors, that is two doctors for every nurse (ratio 1 : 2). Whereas the World Bank’s World Development Report suggests, as a rule of thumb, that the ratio of nurses to doctors should exceed 2:1 as a minimum with 4:1 or higher considered more satisfactory. That means we are required to have a minimum of 9000 or more nurses in the Nursing Services. How do the massive shortfall of 9000 plus nurses being met? In theory the Nursing Officers are required to be assisted by the Nursing Assistants in running the patient care in a hospital. But in practice they are made to do additional duty to make up the huge shortages. They work for as much as 14 hours a day for a minimum of 6 days a week. That is more than double a Nurse in a Civil Hospital does. Is there anyone else in the army who does night duty from 7.30 pm to 7.30 am at a stretch for 14 days, that too every alternate month? The MNS Officers report for night duty at 1930 hrs and may not even get time to sit down during the duty. She will be relieved next day around 0830 hrs after handing over taking over etc. and finally reaches home dead tired after 0900 hrs, again in the evening she have to report back for duty. Where is the time for family and children? The life is hell for the MNS Officers, they regularly do the work of three Nurses in a civil set up and nobody appreciates that fact.
ReplyDeleteThe duty hours of MNS Officers need to be modified to get to more time with the family. Now they are on long duties (0730 hrs to 1930 hrs) and short duties (0730 hrs to 1330 hrs) every alternate day; and night duties (1930 hrs to 0730 hrs) for 14 days at a stretch once in two months. The ‘Long Duties were started as a temporary arrangement to have double the number of Nurses in the wards from morning till noon. But now this has become the norm and in effect the MNS Officers have very little time left for themselves and family. This should be changed in to three shifts of not more than 6 1/2 hrs during day and 11 hrs during night. (for example 1st shift : 0730 hrs to 1400 hrs, 2nd shift : 1400 hrs to 2030 hrs & 3rd shift : 2030 hrs to 0730 hrs on the following day). The day duties – ‘morning and afternoon shifts’ should be for a continuous spell of one week. The ‘night duty of maximum one week’ should be only after ‘two spells of morning and afternoon duties’ (after one month) or later. Is there anyone listening?
it is better to marry a educated civilian rather than marrying a pbor, the seniors should guide the juniors to upgrade the status of our core, if smbody listening the nursing officers duty timings can b changed as per the shifts, nursing officer is also a human being let her also have happy life and spent some time with her fmily and be out of her frustration. last but not the least give respect and take respect.
ReplyDeleteDear colleagues, first and foremost feel proud that we are MNS officers, without whom none of the hospitals in the AFMS can run even for an hour. And ofcourse, respect yourself,respect your senoirs and give due respect to the PBORs too for they too are individuals like you & me..but for god's sake, don't go and marry them.Marry educated men, if you can't get one remain unmarried, but please...no marrying PBORs anymore..i think it is high time we legally put a full stop to this practice..Most of the MNS officers who are married to PBORs,have been seen to be lacking confidence in personal as well as professional aspects.And cases of domestic violence and abuse among them are really high. So ladies, please stop marrying PBORs.It does'nt take you anywhere.
ReplyDeleteAMC Docs, pls don't feel threatened by us.It is a well known fact that u guys can't function without we MNS officers in any given field,but kindly realise that none of us are aiming to take u'r position away. U'll remain the doc, and we will be the nurses, ok? It's just that we r a little more advanced professionally in our given profession than u r in your's.My sincere advice to u is that,gear up and be thorough professionals, if u r capable u'll get oodles of respect from we nurses without u even asking.So stop gunning at our pay, uniform and personal lives, polish u'r knowledge and skills..atleast learn to administer some lifesaving drugs in emergency rather than learning only to prescribe them..best of luck.Hope we'll have a brighter future together caring for that poor sick soldier and/or his family.
ReplyDeleteThanks Smitha, I am with you .we are nurses and would love to be known as "Nurses". we do not want to be compared with any profession. No one should feel insecure or have identity crisis.so please do not bother about our pay and uniform. we will work hard to get back our lost honour .one day you will understand the value of "NURSE"
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Hey docs, don't worry..we r just not aiming to replace u in profession and power.. if u feel insecure, pls introspect, u'll soon become aware that u'r insecurities stem from u'r own lack of knowledge and skills..if u feel a nurse is not respecting u, that's simply becoz u may not be capable enough to deserve her respect..look around and see that a skillfull & learned doc in AMC never had to ask for respect from us, we give it wholeheartedly.Nursing is an entirely separate profession from that of doctor's.We cannot be compared or replaced by one another, and one can't function without the other.. then why fight? let us work in harmony, and take care of the sick and wounded, more efficiently than ever before.
ReplyDeletehello we are part of a team who works for patients there is no question of replacing of substituting any one .let us not have the differences after all our aim is one. pl do not have the hard feelings against Nurses. you should support us so together we can function in harmony . have faith in us we are always together.Give us respect and freedom to work ,we will never put you down . you know that Indian Nurses are the best Nurses in World. with our support you can have best medical team. we have been working with you and we will...
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ReplyDeleteI would like to thanks to all the senior Nsg officers those who have opened this chanel for the communication.
I am a regular Nsg officer with 19 years of seniority. Madam I am ashamed to breif the harashment we nursing officer undergo at the hands of our own senior matrons. The PM office is never congenial and pleasant to approach for even asking duties. Always arrogant attitude is seen within the matrons. Even ever any nursing officer goes for asking for days off they only reply that U all do not work and come here only for asking days off.Regarding leave,the privilage is given by Govt.but it appears that these matrons or PMs are running their own private hospitals and we nursing officers are their slaves,they literally use abuseive language and chases us out from the office. For filling the leave and getting leave form becomes an mental agony for each nursing officer. Another Sin we nursing officers have done by joining this most harshed services that we nursing officers often fall sick because of our very long and irregualar working hours and not getting proper No of days off. First of all these PMs and matrons in the office they do not allow nursing officer to go for sick report. If they manage to go they make the commandant or Sr. Registrar to tell the Medical officer in the MI room not to give sick in quarter to the nursing officer. If at all their sickness is such that they need rest it would be given and their days off will be cut. PMs and matrons always abuses nursing officers and say they cannot run the hospitals and they have shortage of staff. For the instances we would like to quote the names of such senior nursing officers Brig (Rtd) Kunjuamma Thomas,this lady called nursing officers prostitute in herfarewel party which was given by Brig (Rtd) M Padmini,and dear padmini including all adm staff did not stopped using such words
Brig (Rtd) M Padmini,Col(Rtd) Nancy Ezakiel,Col Mariam,Lt col Prema Adm matron in Pune,. This Padmini has harshed the nursing officers to that extent that one of them even commited sucide.But see that ,She became DDMNS and Brig ,and look at the father's plight who lost his daughter and she was stigmatised that she was pregnant.
Madam this is our Nursing corp and this is plight of Us. Can in future we have hope that our matrons will be sensitised with human touch. Will ever our long and irregular working hours will improve. This kind of irregular working hours have caused and are causing lots of marital disharmony and Nursg officers are bearing mental trauma even at domestic front.Money and status is not every thing but it is essential for the living. I hope this gives the due informations to all those young Nurses who aspire to join the services and to their parents. Do not see only the brighter side but look other sides which are more pain ful when your daughter is crying and not eating food has good amount of money.
PMs and Adm matrons are shame less ladies with crulety in their heartsand then how one can hope for happiness when happiness does not exist in their own junior girls. Madam can we hope for the change in near future.
Dear Madam, you are very right. The senior nursing officers are only bothered of their chair and position. And you will find so many sycophants around them who never work only gain the name and good ACRs and two three commentation . Sycophancy is the main criteria for promotion these days. Those who are holding higher posts and selection grades (99%) are the sychophants and not the real sincere and hard workers. They only know how make their bosses happy and not their subordinates. The example is PB4 for Lt Col. Your corps will oneday disband, they will not change their attitude. If your ADG is a male officer, he could have done something good for your people. You cannot expect anything from these sycophants. One thing is clear that you wont find any efficient lady in a higher post except some exceptional cases. Even NCC Director fought and got PB4 for their subordinates but what has done these ladies. They know only to use filthy language. Whatever you write, they wont change their attitude because their skin is so resitant.
ReplyDeleteI am a young member of the MNS corps and am proud to be so.In my opinion what lacks in MNS officer's professional life is attitude.Very few nurses are professionally updated.Rather they are much interested in collecting the policy letters about the recently launched facilities.Introspect, what had been your contribution towards development of nursing? Areu aware of what you could do to uplift nursing.No, i'm sure.How many of you have happily taken over chances given to you for professional upgradation.Have you ever wondered why the clinical meetings of medical officers and very much different from the weekly in service training programmes of us.When they discuss about problem solving, we discuss about age old PPHs and HIVs and hospital wastes.It is basically the work dissatisfaction that brings disgrace to MNS corps.Otherwise why will some MNS officers be well treated by all ranks while some get slaps.I agree u have to demand respect, but y can't that be in a healthy way.Make your presence felt by people around you.Pen down your observations.If you keep a record of compliance to simple hand washing, i'm sure the ones who will be ranking highest will be docs.Learn about clinical research.Put up points in AFMRC to give you platform for clinical research and ask your PM(for a change) to wring resources to train you in all these.Pls donot underestimate the PBORs too.Most of them are well educated and the power of education never bends their head to ignorance.Please do PBBSc and specialisations.When people know that you do speak sense, they automatically won't dare to
ReplyDeletespeak nonsense with you.And with what rationale i dont understand that people fighting above say that it is better to marry unemployed educated guys than PBORs.Be different and do different.we are on our way up.
@ anonymous above, u've gr8 attitude. keep it up. we need more like u in MNS. But i whole heartedly support those who ask the youngsters in MNS not 2 marry PBORs--pls understand, it is not because they are bad,it is because of the fact that we are in the Army and we have to follow the age old customs in the army.In the army, officers don't mix up with PBORs,in personal/social life.I've seen instances where MNS officers are being isolated by the officer community because they are married to PBORs. Other than the reasons that u've mentioned above, i strongly believe that rampant marriages with PBORs is one strong reason for our downfall.Give due respect to the PBORs, as u say many of them are highly educated these days..without them the army and the army hospitals cannot function..but,keep the relationship strictly professional.And i'm as optimistic as u or more, that we are on our way up.
ReplyDeleteVery good. your positive approach is highly appreciable. As you said you have to update your professional knowledge rather than finding short comings in others. If you are a hard worker, the people around you will defenitely appreciate you and respect you. You cannot demand respect forcefully, your deeds will get you respect automatially. Thank you very much for the good advice for those who are still living in blind world.
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ReplyDeleteAny answer to anonymous dated 28/04/2010 (Both Two) from you or from MNS you cannat hide the facts.
Everyone will agree there were always some 'haze layer' on the status of MNS Officers in the past. This haze how lifted forever by the AFT's recent order. It leaves no manner of doubt over the MNS Officers Commissioned Officer status, and with that our entitlements as to rank as authorised to Officers of the Army.
ReplyDeleteWe the MNS Officers badly needs concentrated doses of 'Military Law', to unlearn the 'hearsay' we heard over the years. Only with the knowledge gained from the 'Rule Books', we can get our due in the Armed Forces.
We are Commissioned Officers; there is no longer any doubt about that. But to be treated and accepted as an 'Officer' by the Officers from other Corps, we need to start behaving as one. The least we can do is to stop marrying the PBORs. Are there any instances of Women Officers from any other Corps marrying the PBORs? So please don't try to glorify the shameful part of our history.
I am not saying that, you divorce your OR husband. But, encourage your OR spouses to try for commissioning in Army/Navy/Air Force. There are so many avenues open to them in the armed forces. Starting with Army: AMC (NT), General Service, Regimental Commissioning, etc. In Air Force: SNCOs Commission, Service Entry Commission, etc. and in Navy: Special List Commission. Many of the younger lot would be eligible for the regular commission through ACC, GDOC, etc.
If nothing works out for your spouse, let him earn his pension (serve for 15 yrs) and apply for release. Most of the educated ex-servicemen PBORs can easily manage to get a job in public sector banks and central/state government organisations through the ex-servicemen quota.
Everyone must understand that we as Commissioned Officers has the responsibility to follow the age old customs and traditions of the Indian Army. Remember, the Army's honour is our honour, therefore we are duty bound to protect the 'honour of the commissioned ranks', the President of India bestowed on us; whatever be the personal cost.
Dear Nursing Officers..kindly keep u r family happy first..respect u r husband..childrens.
ReplyDeleteand u people after getting stars on u r shoulders thinks that the world is under them. So be polite to all..
Dear Girls try to become strong and unite together for u r job. i saw that some matrons and nursing officers who's husbands are in indian army behave like they are the supreme head of armed forces..so u girls try bond together as other officers do..and fight for u r community.
ReplyDeleteFirstly Congrats Maj Gen (Retd) Usha Sikdar. Yu r gonna be a legend for fighting it out for yur rights and winning against all odds. But hey, the sandya's and the smitha's - who marry's whom is a personal decision, why can't yu accept the rights of other lady's. Gr8 ladies like Mrs Gandhi, Mrs Bhutto, Our President are known for what they have done or doing in life professional and not known for whom they r married to. Why, do yu know to whom Mrs Sikdar is married to or do yu really care to know? and how does it matter for what she has done for herself and for the whole MNS Corps. So lets stop being preachy or match makers.
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ReplyDeleteHey Doc, The Sandhya's and Smitha's have their right too! And they talk in the larger interest of Nursing Services. It is again the AMC 'propaganda', girls don't fall for it. They want us to marry the Nursing Assts & PBORs. So that they can say:- 'MNS' are they Officers? which Officer will marry an OR? They want to discredit our Corps & won't hesitate to use any heinous methodes.
Why don't you open a marriage beuro for the Women AMC Docs, to find suitable match from 'tall, dark & handsome' Nursing Assts from your corps?
respected Madam
ReplyDeleteMadam a month back I read in the leading new paper regarding Gen Kapoor (Rtd) that he owns a flat or property in somewhere Mumbai which is illegal or on the defence land. What ever Gen Kapoor had written about the MNS and their pays and perk , and his favouring comments for AMC officers. Gen owns aillegal property and before retirement he got 100% disability, if he would not done this he could not get the medical benefits. More over a corrupt officer can blemish weaker section. Nurses in the army are the weaker ladies so he felt comfortable while publising in leading magazine India Today so that all the citizens should read and understand that Nurses in Army are hard working ladies and look forward for little upliftment
And MNS officers are not corrupt officers Unlike few senior tainted Generals officers.So General Kapoor has fallen in his own eyes.
I have come across a number of MNS Officers who repent after getting married with PBOR. It is because of the fact that they are brought up in an entirely different environment. I ask a question to all serving class I Gazetted officers whether they can compromise to the extent of marrying their daughters to PBOR. I know the answer will be "A BIG NO". The reason is class differenc.
ReplyDeletemam what hapeened to my comments written on 03 jul reg. mns offrs getting married to airman???? I didnt use any derogatory language.....then why is my comments not showing up?
ReplyDeleteIn a civilised society democratic government is practised. And in damocratic country it the civil administration which is superior to armed forces. That is why in our country the supreme commander of the armed forces is the President of India who is a civilian,the defence secretary is also civilian, even the defence minister is civilian. The findings of General Court Martial which is the highest court of the Armed Forces are set aside by civil courts like High Court and Supreme Court (Now AFT) where the presiding judge is a retired judge from High Court and in the Principal Bench the chair person is from the Supreme Court. Pls donot underestimate or use the term civilian. Because the top services in India are not defence but civil services. Non of the serving officer in the army can hold any Constitutional Post but only a civilian can hold the Constitutional post. Those who do not respect their status and position are alwayes face humiliation throughout their life. If you people (MNS Officers)want parity with other commissioned officers first behave like a commissioned officers. In civil even a bank clerk will not marry a peon lady working in his bank.
ReplyDeleteWhy u people are stuck on marriage, right now leave this marriage part, use your common sense for these thing and use your full power for your main traget that is to get implimentation of AFT decision. Stop fighting with each other for useless thing, respect your job, your rank and the Indian Army. Dare to fight for your rights, other wise keep on decideing to marry a officer/PBRO/civilian. Best of Luck
ReplyDeleteRespected Madam what is the latest about our case.
ReplyDeleteWhat I have written is a fact. No one can deny. It requires open mind and grace to accept the truth. I am proud of my country that we have civilian government and we are much much civilised and are not like Pakistan or Iraq or Afghanistan or other country where military dictator rules. We all officers pledge to serve the nation which include the prople also. When we take oath to serve the people then we can never be superior to our masters. Our people are our masters. I think it is very hard fact to digest. I have not brought any disgrace to Nursing Services. It is our own act or omission which brings respect or disgrace to ourselve. In a democratic set up every body is free to lead a life of his or choice. You marry a PBOR but thereafter you will never be allowed to attend any function in officer's mess with your husband.
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ReplyDeleteMost of our people think that Nurses are helpers of doctors and by this reason only there is cold war between MNS and other military officers. Dear doctors, policy makers, writers, and other officers. plz try to change ur mindset under the following
Nursing and Medical both are different profession and their duties and responsibilities are also different. No one is superior or inferior. Both are highly respectable and highly paid jobs in other countries.
It is a simple logic that only to help a doctor Plus 2 with biology and 4 years full time course is not required to nurses.
BLS for health care providers, Advanced cardiac life support, International trauma care life support, advanced trauma care support certifications are same for doctors, nurses and paramedical profession.
American nursing syllabus is more detail than our Indian MBBS syllabus. plz refer the pharmacology for Nurses in US
Nursing courses are more costly than engineering courses in south India
Therefore, doctors and other officers’ plz try to accept nurses as ur colleagues. Also, it is the duty of our nurses to do self marketing by using their professional skills. India needs million nurses in primary, preventive and emergency care.
1. Nurses to take action to free Indian Nursing council from Doctors to make their own policy
2. Nurses need to implement nursing processes while caring patient (data collection, planning, nursing diagnosis, implementation, evaluvation,)
3. All nurses to do continue professional developments courses (various certifications like BLS, ACLS, ATLS, quality control, health and safety, management and leadership skills etc).
4. It is my request to all ex- MNS, plz help to develop Indian nursing and India in primary and preventive heath care as our human development index is very poor...
Regards
T.Titus
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Please refer my post dtd 05/15/10 and I refer to anonymous dtd 05/16/10. Firstly, thanx for addressing me as a DOC. Frankly, I am not one.
ReplyDeleteNursing is an unique and independant profession. It has a body of scientific knowledge and clinical skills are learnt and developed with continuous care of the clientelle. No one can take our position in the health care team. The Nursing Officers are the partners in the health care team. They are not subordinates to the doctors. This needs to be understood by the Nursing Officers. I ask all Nursing Officers to rise to the occassion in caring for the clientelle so that we stand out the beast among all the health team members.
ReplyDeletethere needs to be a mission & vission in the minds of the Nursing Officers. Do not work like zoombies/robots. Use your intellegience in caring for your clientelle. It is best that one understands every day is not a rainy day. Sun will definitely shine for the welfare of the Nursing officers. Need one to boost about the acheivements. Tackle media who donot show Nursing role in good light & spirit. The community at large needs to knwo and understand that it is the c are provided by the Nursing Officers 24 x 7 that brings them back to health to return to their near and dear ones. Riser up to the occasion and bring the standardfs of care to higher level thereby taking the nursing profession to higher levels of acheivements.
ReplyDeleteI think the pressure and work load an MNS officer have no one else in Army feel it. There duties are very dedicated and tough. I have seen MNS officers working day and night for this great institution. I salute them and really respect them. They work with unmatchable dedication and i belive every Nco. Jco and officer respects them,if not then they should.I am myself a serving Brigadier in Army.
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Deletewake up everyone....nursing officers are skilled and committed to their jobs.Why are we denying them their real status?Just because of the silly age old mentality which is instilled by the old haggard docs in our minds...No.....it has to end.My fiancee who happens to be an officer forced me to leave this job though i wanted to continue.I chose to quit since job took a backseat and love conquered...I've changed my stream and studying hard
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